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Old 2nd July 2009   #200
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Originally Posted by jmarkham View Post
What you need, my friend, is the patented "Dongle Buddy" ..
Is that like a fleshlight?

I usually just use a sock slathered with K... oh um.... hmmm

Yeah USB extenders are useful. A lot of people I know actually store their ilok INSIDE the chassis of their tower.... always hooked up, not in the way, and not able to be pocketed.




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Originally Posted by m127 View Post
1) Yeah, so extremely inexpensive, so why don't you buy it for all of us? Them ****ing corporations are making US pay for THEIR piracy paranoia. It's THEIR problem. THEY should pay for the dongle and all related expenses. Who cares if it's 20 or 200 euro...

2) Besides the ACTUAL performance issues, major or minor, the problem IS the wasteful use of resources for US sw users (USB ports) for the sake of solving a problem that WE, we, the ones that actually PAY money for the software, are NOT responsible for.



This is a problem of some white collar ****ed up policy that is WRONG in PRINCIPLE.

They, Stinkbug and the likes, IMPOSE those expenses on US. And they do so because there is NO ****ING REGULATIONS that protect us consumers in this underrregulated industry. They take advantage of their position because NO ONE is stopping them (just the same way they sell buggie features that won't work, and which they won't fix, unless we pay AGAIN for the same features on the next non point release. How about the solo-mute issue, will that fix be free for the previous version of Nuendo. NO!!! Nuendo users will have to pay AGAIN for an update that solves that issue that was sold as WORKING FEATURE in a previous version).

Regardless of how much their dongle costs or how ACTUALLY annoying it is to waste otherwise music-production useful USB ports... again, this is WRONG in PRINCIPLE.

It is THEIR problem. NOT ours.




Dongle fanboys here should stop playing the nice brown-nosing "dongle-me-in-the-ass-please-I-love-it" farse.

All them corporations care for is MARKET SHARE, not you nor I. Period.


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Originally Posted by m127 View Post
Let me redact the post for the sake of your delicate ears (you are not a fanboy anymore, choose what fits you dongle suppoters better), and to see if you can even understand the SUBSTANCE of the matter, which is:

1. Yeah, it's not apparently a big deal. (Did you read this well? I say you are right: not a big deal, but only apparently)

2. Yeah, big or not, it is THEIR issue, not ours (get it? Again, get it? T-H-E-I-R-S Their issue.)

3. If I want to stick a tomato in my USB ports, that is OK because my USB ports are there for whatever the **** I deem they are there. They are not there to police myself, that's for sure.

4. If the disgusting piece of plastic costs 3 dollars only, and I want to buy ice cream for my dog with my money, so what? I rather support some crazy extravagance than the greed of a "FEW" who are crying because they are LESS rich than what they could be.

5. Even if the hassle just was to raise one of my INCREDIBLY BEATIIFUL eyebrows... that small hassle is UNDUE, because

a. we are not criminals, and legitimate customers MUST NOT be annoyed with any hassles that have NOTHING to do with the proper functioning of the program we paid for.

b. for the 4th time. It is a matter of PRINCIPLE and legitimate consumer friendly policies, not about how small or how big is the hasslle.


6. MOST IMPORTANTLY, Stinkbug didn't start with a dongle up in their mischevious asses. They SUDDENLY found a hardware way (they could not handle sw apparently) to prevent piracy BUT at the expense of the legitimate users. Do you understand? We financed AND lost 1 USB port to THEIR solution, which has NOTHING to do with what we need in what we are paying for. Or, are you gonna tell us that the dongle has a great effect in your mixes?

Why is this important? Because a full DAW platform is not something you change like socks. You develop habits and make IMPORTANT investments around your main DAW. You create thousands of projects and extend the main DAW's functionality with more hardware AND more software.

It is not only about stopping using that DAW that suddlenly became dongled. It represents a LOT of hassle to do such a thing for the people that actually work with it. My studio is COMPLETELY build around Stinkbug's DAW. Just my CUSTOM MIDI control system is worth about $6000 or even more, and it was build around Bugase. I would lose thousands and thousands of dollars if I switch DAWs at this point (I am still researching on this though). Or do you think that my $10k or more in VST compatible software can be switched to pro tools formats just like that????

They hook you up, and then they kick you in the rear like you don't matter (remember what they did with directX, remember how you have to pay for features twice or more because they would implement some IMPORTANT fixes only in the NEW payable version?)

It is the PRINCIPLE before the act what matters. And we ALL have the responsibility to stop a wrong policy that is based on the grounds that we are hooked. Otherwise they are goin to continue with bad practices that affects us all consumers at many different levels. They just got into a fight with Wizoo and the sw is discontinued. They single-handedly and under the table decided to surprise us all by stopping support for DirectX plugs. Yeah, that was years ago, but they are acumulating garbage year by year, but why? Because people like you say "oh, that is not a big deal" until the very point in time when you are directly affected. MARK my words, you will be affected hard at some point. Again, it is not the hassle only, it is the philosophy and modus operandi what raise questions on the integrity of such companies.






btw, Do you understimate us enough to proclaim that we do NOT know what a USB hub is?
That is WAY more insulting.


Set an example or don't complain.



And yeah, I don't buy dongled sw. And I started to NOT update Bugase, and will slowly but surely ditch it like garbage

In terms of pure, legitimate rights, they have a right to try to protect their sw, but they DO NOT have the right to do it at the consumers' expense, who is not GUILTY of breaking or hacking the sw in the first place. This a good argument to put forth in European Trade Commision, along with their policy on charging again for already sold features in order to fix them. I just read that organization ****ed Microsoft just on the grounds that they were only including IE with their OS, so, it doesn't seem like an organization to fool around with.

You can keep on proclaiming that I am mean, or whatever you want, to distract from the facts. But I assure you that most people here KNOW how to read and what to dismiss, regardless of your claiming that we can't tell what a USB hub is for.


Too bad for Stinkbug and the likes, because I spend about 1-2 thousand dollars on sw per year. Too bad for them, because at least a dozen people with similar sw needs have openly agreed with me, and they don't buy their products anymore. Too bad for them, because I will speak out at EVERY single opportunity, simply because it is the right thing to do, and because I am RIGHT on this one.
As usual you make good points, but I seriously think you could get your points across much more effectively without the hostility.
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