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WD40 · 15th January 2009

Thanks for your input.

We spent alot of time last night getting drums tweaked, positioning mics, etc.. and I gotta say, it's friggin dissapointing.

I tried the recorderman method for OH's at 1st (via the Youtube "directions"), and couldn't get the drummers right mic at a good spot. (-With one OH mic directly above the snare (2 stick + distance), the drummers right mic ended up pointing directly at the drummers shoulder/back).
Anyone else have this problem?
I ended up skipping the kick measurement & just worried about spacing OH's equally from the snare.

The OH's ended up sounding bland and lacking punch (even after some extensive EQing). It does not appear to be a phase issue - Maybe the mics were too high?
From what I've read, the 603's are (supposed) to be comparable to the MK-012's. It's my 1st time trying them, and so far - not so impressed. (But it's probably me).

The room mic sounded like dookey (even when I put it just a tad under everything else). Probably a placement issue here.

The kick sounds good without any beater side mic, like y'all said.. No prob there. (I really love that re20 - it's very forgiving).
The underside snare mic was worthless, and it sounds better without even the slightest bit in the mix.
I opted for a 57 on the floor tom.

I think I'll try using both C1000's as a stereo room pair, per your suggestions. You think those would be OK to use for that ? (since I don't have a matched pair of LDC's) Or do you think I would be better off sticking with 1 LDC? (or using both the C1 and the C3000 as a mismatched pair??)
Generally, where should I be looking to place Room mic(s) in such a overly treated room?

I'm going to have to experiment further with OH's.
I would like a good stereo image, so I'm resistant to XY.
Any tips for placing OH's would help a ton. Should I just place them how I think and not worry too much about distance (phasing) to the snare & individual drums/cymbals? Any hard and fast rules? (aside from 3-to-1)?

Thanks again. You guys are such a great resource.

-Gary

(PS - James - Your tips for tracking drums are like the "21 commandments" to me at this point. -You're a friggin superstar

)

15th January 2009	#6
WD40 Gear interested Joined: Oct 2008 Location: Denver, CO. Posts: 13 Thread Starter	Thanks for your input. We spent alot of time last night getting drums tweaked, positioning mics, etc.. and I gotta say, it's friggin dissapointing. I tried the recorderman method for OH's at 1st (via the Youtube "directions"), and couldn't get the drummers right mic at a good spot. (-With one OH mic directly above the snare (2 stick + distance), the drummers right mic ended up pointing directly at the drummers shoulder/back). Anyone else have this problem? I ended up skipping the kick measurement & just worried about spacing OH's equally from the snare. The OH's ended up sounding bland and lacking punch (even after some extensive EQing). It does not appear to be a phase issue - Maybe the mics were too high? From what I've read, the 603's are (supposed) to be comparable to the MK-012's. It's my 1st time trying them, and so far - not so impressed. (But it's probably me). The room mic sounded like dookey (even when I put it just a tad under everything else). Probably a placement issue here. The kick sounds good without any beater side mic, like y'all said.. No prob there. (I really love that re20 - it's very forgiving). The underside snare mic was worthless, and it sounds better without even the slightest bit in the mix. I opted for a 57 on the floor tom. I think I'll try using both C1000's as a stereo room pair, per your suggestions. You think those would be OK to use for that ? (since I don't have a matched pair of LDC's) Or do you think I would be better off sticking with 1 LDC? (or using both the C1 and the C3000 as a mismatched pair??) Generally, where should I be looking to place Room mic(s) in such a overly treated room? I'm going to have to experiment further with OH's. I would like a good stereo image, so I'm resistant to XY. Any tips for placing OH's would help a ton. Should I just place them how I think and not worry too much about distance (phasing) to the snare & individual drums/cymbals? Any hard and fast rules? (aside from 3-to-1)? Thanks again. You guys are such a great resource. -Gary (PS - James - Your tips for tracking drums are like the "21 commandments" to me at this point. -You're a friggin superstar )