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Old 15th January 2009   #16
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Originally Posted by PaRaNoId View Post
freq(Hz?) = 1 / (2pi(R?)(C?)
yes, algebraically manipulated to 2pi(R)(freq)=1/C

or, C = 1/2pi(R)(f)

R in this case could be either or both resistance and input impedance. We sometimes use R and Z (impedance) interchangeably when the other factors of impedance are miniscule and relatively benign, such as in this case.

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1-pin#1 (ground/shield) goes through in this line-level, balanced circuit
2- these will be strictly operated at line level, going into a 20-30k ohms input
3- there will be identical ratings on capacitors on pins 2 and 3 (hot and cold)
each cap will be 2 times the value we get in the below equation for "C"
4- there should be a resistor of some type b/w pin 2 and 3
1 yes
2 yes- but knowing the input impedance eases the calculation,
3 yes - as explained by Ulysses above, both are twice the calculated value, and both ratings are the same.
4 Yes and No. I've always thought of there being a "shunt" resistor across the lines, but thinking about it now, it would seem that the shunt resistor is really just a "load" of some sort. This means that we can forgo the extra resistor since the input impedance is the load.

Yes- if the input impedance is unkown, and you're trying to calculate R to make the total equivalent (extra resistor and the input impedance/resistance combined) the closest to the desired or specified input impedance.

Since there is no real easy way to determine exactly what the input impedance/resistance is, one uses a higher value resistor from 2 to 3 than the expected input impedance in order to make the equivalent resistance close enough to the desired/specified resistance/impedance.

No- if you don't care about trying to alter the input impedance, or you accept the specified impedance as your R value, then simply forgo the extra resistor and use the two caps of doubled value that we determine from the calculations.

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now..... this is what is completely killing me.....
what is "R" going to be? Is it expressed in ohms?
Is R the resistor value? Is R a value derived from eight other not-quite known factors, or is it simply 20,000 (ohms)? This is the element that i don't get. Ethan's layout looks good to me but it doesn't give me enough to find an R value considering the diagram shows an R1, R2, R22K, R and has unexplained numbers by the resistors.
R is synonymous with both resistance, as when the load is purely resistive, but also with equivalent impedance, expressed in Z, but as for our case we're using Z as if it was a purely resistive load.

Impedance is really a combination of three things: resistance, inductance and capacitance. Since the input inductance and capacitance are relatively miniscule, we simply forget they are part of the equation and just use the input resistance value (20-30kΩ) and call it impedance.

Yes. R is the resistance value. Here we've been combining the guestimated R value with the input impedance by another formula, the formula for parallel resistance.

1/Rtotal = 1/R1 + 1/R2 ...+ 1/R (so and so)

it happens to be just like the capacitance formula used above..

1/Ctotal = 1/C1 + 1/C2 ...+ 1/C (so and so)

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What is C going to be expressed in? and what are my two caps going to be rated? and how to i say that and write it on paper I know i suck for asking someone else to do the math but im just trying to get a ball park estimate and not sure if im applying the info correctly.
Capacitance (C) is expressed in some amount of Farads

For this case, your circuit will require caps in nano farad range. Thats 1x10^-9 or 0.000000(000).

As for voltage, line level at odBu is somewhere around .775 volts, so a 5v rating or higher should suffice.

Its alright to ask for help. I've learned a lot about the subject from thinking and calculating it myself with the help from those above.

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Also....If price/time is no option, would certain brands/grades/types of caps and resistors improve/color the sound?
I can't offer suggestions as per the sound of a capacitor compared to another, but I can offer the offered values.

Looks like your stuck with two 150 nano (.15uf), capacitors or your choosing. Some type of film cap. Voltage ratings won't be a problem.

Here's a couple, but like I said, I can't speak on quality or characteristics.

WIMA

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