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Karmela · 8th July 2008, 11:00 AM

Ok truth be told, im a huge NIN fan. Have been since Pretty Hate Machine and will be till the end of time.

But what Tent has done from this point is hurt no only possible sales he could have generated, but hurt the music game as never before.

Sure making money is all about what the music industry is all about, but when you get down to it, NINE INCH NAILS and Radiohead have had nearly 20-25 years of name recognition and fans all over the world.

Not only USA but Europe and Asia where fans die for industrial music, they love NIN. So why would’nt Trent ditch his label and start his own “Null Corporation” and begin to sell his stuff online.

If I had a fan base that was in the hundreds of thousands, or millions worldwide, I would ditch my record company a LONG TIME AGO!

Plus Trent may not have too much overhead. Think about it, the guy made “Year Zero” while on tour, and on a laptop. Come on, this just means the guy has a lot of products readily at his fingertips.

All in all the music industry is hurting, the only real money to be made is pretty much scoring a hit song on a soundtrack, or television show. You get money for doing that.

The only artists to make a good living off music is guys like Trent Reznor, Thom York, etc etc etc. But at the same time as these guys can afford it, newer bands coming out cant, they literally have to start making music “FOR FUN”. Forget profit, just make it for fun and move on.

I have friends in bands, signed bands, do they see the money? Not really.

Do newer bands have a budget to sit there all day and market themselves to the best of their abilities??? Not really

Everyone has to face the music, the industry is slowly if not, already comes to its knees. The internet killed business, not only for music, but marketing companies alike. Myspace created a great tool for bands with NO BUDGET to get their music out. YouTUBE made a great sit that catered to people who want to put up their videos and make a name for themselves…

LOL OK don’t believe me??? Who else would sing a song ( “Umbrella”) by an already signed artist that made millions off of it, sit there with a guitar, sing it and post it up but to find herself being signed with a label by Justin Timberlake just a few months after…

Come on, the truth be told the old days of going on tour, filling up the van and going to every dive bar in the US is over.

How often do we see HipHop artists going on tour?!??! Never and yet Lil’Wayne still sold 406,000 the first few days in the first week of his album debut.

Thanks to MTV and the fact they want to sell bull*hit reality shows to young teens, and sell million in advertising in commercials to companies, that’s why we have NO MUSIC ON MTV….

Oh well sorry, unless your POP/RAP then your on MTV, but forget about it. Rock and or anything having to do with that genre have died thanks to the bs happening in the world of “music business these days”

Trent is doing what he feels right… But the truth be told, he may feel that he has no choice.

The new cd is probably a compiled bunch of scraps from the With Teeth sessions. The cd sounds like it was created in about 3 days, and minimal time for “sound/design/concept/originality/”

The Slip was said to be a “gift” to the fans… That’s great Trent but you know the business bro, your fans will buy everything and anything you throw there way. This is not your best stuff, and not will ever go down in your collection of work to be the best stuff you have ever done.

Call it a time crunch or whatever, the cd just did not fit the industrial rock vibe he is known for.

And as far as buying the cd for better quality. Torrent sites everywhere had it up literally hours after he said there going on sale.

I hate what the music industry has become. I have a professional music background and an MBA. So I look and see things in a totally different way.

My business sense misses the record label industry, but my musician side loves the fact bands can put there work online for fans and audiences all over the world to make or break them

I love NIN and I think Trent is a genius, but I would rather see him set up a “yellow brick” road for new and up coming artists, so they don’t have to resort to sell themselves out in many peoples opinion to go and sign with a major label. I would love to see Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails take some time out and help new and coming bands, and in return they do the same, and so on and so fourth.

8th July 2008, 11:00 AM	#104
Karmela Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9	The new Model of the music business/ NIN Ok truth be told, im a huge NIN fan. Have been since Pretty Hate Machine and will be till the end of time. But what Tent has done from this point is hurt no only possible sales he could have generated, but hurt the music game as never before. Sure making money is all about what the music industry is all about, but when you get down to it, NINE INCH NAILS and Radiohead have had nearly 20-25 years of name recognition and fans all over the world. Not only USA but Europe and Asia where fans die for industrial music, they love NIN. So why would’nt Trent ditch his label and start his own “Null Corporation” and begin to sell his stuff online. If I had a fan base that was in the hundreds of thousands, or millions worldwide, I would ditch my record company a LONG TIME AGO! Plus Trent may not have too much overhead. Think about it, the guy made “Year Zero” while on tour, and on a laptop. Come on, this just means the guy has a lot of products readily at his fingertips. All in all the music industry is hurting, the only real money to be made is pretty much scoring a hit song on a soundtrack, or television show. You get money for doing that. The only artists to make a good living off music is guys like Trent Reznor, Thom York, etc etc etc. But at the same time as these guys can afford it, newer bands coming out cant, they literally have to start making music “FOR FUN”. Forget profit, just make it for fun and move on. I have friends in bands, signed bands, do they see the money? Not really. Do newer bands have a budget to sit there all day and market themselves to the best of their abilities??? Not really Everyone has to face the music, the industry is slowly if not, already comes to its knees. The internet killed business, not only for music, but marketing companies alike. Myspace created a great tool for bands with NO BUDGET to get their music out. YouTUBE made a great sit that catered to people who want to put up their videos and make a name for themselves… LOL OK don’t believe me??? Who else would sing a song ( “Umbrella”) by an already signed artist that made millions off of it, sit there with a guitar, sing it and post it up but to find herself being signed with a label by Justin Timberlake just a few months after… Come on, the truth be told the old days of going on tour, filling up the van and going to every dive bar in the US is over. How often do we see HipHop artists going on tour?!??! Never and yet Lil’Wayne still sold 406,000 the first few days in the first week of his album debut. Thanks to MTV and the fact they want to sell bull*hit reality shows to young teens, and sell million in advertising in commercials to companies, that’s why we have NO MUSIC ON MTV…. Oh well sorry, unless your POP/RAP then your on MTV, but forget about it. Rock and or anything having to do with that genre have died thanks to the bs happening in the world of “music business these days” Trent is doing what he feels right… But the truth be told, he may feel that he has no choice. The new cd is probably a compiled bunch of scraps from the With Teeth sessions. The cd sounds like it was created in about 3 days, and minimal time for “sound/design/concept/originality/” The Slip was said to be a “gift” to the fans… That’s great Trent but you know the business bro, your fans will buy everything and anything you throw there way. This is not your best stuff, and not will ever go down in your collection of work to be the best stuff you have ever done. Call it a time crunch or whatever, the cd just did not fit the industrial rock vibe he is known for. And as far as buying the cd for better quality. Torrent sites everywhere had it up literally hours after he said there going on sale. I hate what the music industry has become. I have a professional music background and an MBA. So I look and see things in a totally different way. My business sense misses the record label industry, but my musician side loves the fact bands can put there work online for fans and audiences all over the world to make or break them I love NIN and I think Trent is a genius, but I would rather see him set up a “yellow brick” road for new and up coming artists, so they don’t have to resort to sell themselves out in many peoples opinion to go and sign with a major label. I would love to see Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails take some time out and help new and coming bands, and in return they do the same, and so on and so fourth.