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Originally Posted by Lawrence  I guess I'm smoking crack. I've only been using Cubase forever. Whatever.
Look, the point is that the Reaper and Cubase SX use the same method for getting the key audio into the key input, using a secondary channel, and requiring multichannel routing, as the key source. It's funny how people called Cubase's sidechaining "quasi-workaround-fake-ass- sidechaining" and suddenly the same method in Reaper is "true sidechaining". And it is the same method... multichannel routing.
I set them up virtually the same way and neither is really easier than the other TO ME. Insult me by calling me a crackhead for voicing my opinion. Thank you. An opinon that I can back up with facts btw... instead of name calling.
Here it is step by step in both.... from a crackhead who's been using daws for many, may years.
STEP 1:
Reaper: Change the target channel to 4 ch's so you can use the second pair for the key input. A Quad channel. You need a quad (or two channel for mono) channel to sidechain, just like Cubase.
Cubase: Cubase groups support multiple streams/channels (for surround up to 7.1) just like Reaper internal channels so I create a quad group, give it two stereo child channels and send the original track to the group.
Now both daws have a single channel with the original audio playing on it and a secondary unused stereo stream inside of it that we will use for the key audio. Identical.
ReaComp is on the original target track in Reaper.
ReaComp is on the group track in Cubase.
The next step is getting the key audio into the secondary channel.
STEP 2:
Reaper: Send the output of the track being used as the key to the second stereo channel of the target channel 3/4 . Or pull in a receive from that channel. Same thing.
Cubase: Send the output of the track being used as the key to the second stereo channel of the target group. Ls Rs Same thing.
Now both daws have a single channel with the original audio playing through it and also the key audio coming through the second stereo stream on that same channel. Exactly the same thing.
The next step is to assign the key audio to the ReaComp key input.
Final Step
Reaper: Assign the key input of the ReaComp to the Aux pair using ReaComps detector input list. 3-4
Cubase: Assign the key input of the ReaComp to the Aux pair using ReaComps detector input list. Ls-Rs
It's the same thing. EXACTLY the same thing routing wise, using a secondary channel to feed the key input. I cand set that up in Cubase in about 7-10 seconds and in Reaper in about 5. Big difference huh?
Now Reaper can do more stuff because of it's routing flexibility but basic sidechaining is done in an almost identical way. But yes ... it can do more. But the same multi-channel routing that people complained about being "semi-quasi-half-ass-fake" ducking / sidechaining in Cubase for years is suddenly "true sidechaining" in Reaper when the routing to get there is near IDENTICAL and it works exactly the same way in practice.
Schwa's fine VST plugins (with key inputs) will work in Cubase also. Any plug with multi-channel inputs (seperate inputs for key sources) will work in SX or Cubase 4 or Reaper using the above method.
Most people only want to key the input for a track like they did with a real analog comp. That's what most people were crying like little babies for in Cuibase and they had it already. If it's "quasi-fake" then they both are "quasi-fake".
Is Reaper's just a tiny tiny bit easier to setup?. Yes a very tiny bit as you don't need the group. The METHOD to get the souce to the key input is near identical, using a secondary audio channel to bring the source audio into the key input. M_E_T_H_O_D
Cubase 4 takes the key input source directly from the original souce channel without additional audio paths. There is no additional routing to do... just assign the key to any track in the project. A different method.
To me, that method for ducking or getting a key source to a plugin key input is better than both SX and Reaper.
Both daws are GREAT daws. Even to crackheads like me. |
The PLUG IN makes the second set of channels when you load it in Reaper.
Tiny bit easier??
I load MajorTom and it has 4 channels
I open the send on the key track and send the signal BOOM it works
How is this a tiny bit easier??
Maybe I was harsh with the word crackhead, you're just a mistaken crackhead
Explain to me how i need to make 4 channels in Reaper on the key track??
One send does it all.
Check the routing again please
Cubase 4 can be all that and a bag of chips but a 40 dollar program is on its heels for the most important aspects of recording THE AUDIO. Midi is getting there, hats off to you on that, but we're just addressing sidechaining here and I dont want to discourage newbies from trying it out based on incorrect observations.
Channel 1 is your bass line (Major Tom) gets inserted
Channel 2 is your kick. You shoot a send to channels 3/4 on Channel 1 (that has Major Tom) from this channel and you're keying the bassline.
Boom sidechaining.
No crazy 4 channel setups cuz the plugin allocates that for you when you load it.
Peace
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