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7rojo7 · 13th May 2004

Half stick, your 4050s in cardiod a foot back from the hammers in an ortf type of configuration, a stereo bar will help, or if you can find a mic like a C24 or 422 (2x414 capsules mounted over on another) or SM2, I have an ATM825 that works but it's 2SD capsules at + and - 45° from 0°, these would work the best because it gets tight in there at half stick, proximity effect can help the sound for jazz piano, in the studio I would use a blanket if there was a bleed problem, live it might be ugly. Another popular method is at half stick with one front address SD condenser in the armpit pointed at the hi section and another inthe middle of the lo section pointed with the same angle as the hi mic. This is good for live but since you recording you might want to use both, one for FOH and Monitor and the other for your recording. Method 1 gives a good L=lo and R=hi if you like that sort of thing, it can be narrowed and used as mono also, method 2 is fast to set up and gives a nice balance of the piano, it can be used in mono also if you're very careful with the mic placement. 2 omnis can get messy inside the lid, I usually use 2 omnis for solo piano at full stick 2 ft outside at normal height persons (5'10"?) ear level or with the lid off straight over the Piano. I also like at full stick 1 omni over the piano about 18", one of the best sounds I've ever heard. Also method 1 with 2 UM70s is really a classic take for jazz ensemble Piano, also with 451s 0r ant other "pencil" type mics for a little bite in the sound. You can try it in x/y also
You might want to try micing evrything as close to mono as possible and put up a stereo pair somewhere in front of the stage and later reallign all of the mono elements to this pair and drop back the volume on it to use it as ambience, it puts an amazingly realistic stage in front of you and gives you control at the same time. It doesn't have to be a prime pair as in the end it will be rolled back quite a bit, just a thought.
For method 2, 421s might surprise you, even for the recording.

13th May 2004	#3
7rojo7 urumita Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Spoleto, Italy Posts: 2,381	Half stick, your 4050s in cardiod a foot back from the hammers in an ortf type of configuration, a stereo bar will help, or if you can find a mic like a C24 or 422 (2x414 capsules mounted over on another) or SM2, I have an ATM825 that works but it's 2SD capsules at + and - 45° from 0°, these would work the best because it gets tight in there at half stick, proximity effect can help the sound for jazz piano, in the studio I would use a blanket if there was a bleed problem, live it might be ugly. Another popular method is at half stick with one front address SD condenser in the armpit pointed at the hi section and another inthe middle of the lo section pointed with the same angle as the hi mic. This is good for live but since you recording you might want to use both, one for FOH and Monitor and the other for your recording. Method 1 gives a good L=lo and R=hi if you like that sort of thing, it can be narrowed and used as mono also, method 2 is fast to set up and gives a nice balance of the piano, it can be used in mono also if you're very careful with the mic placement. 2 omnis can get messy inside the lid, I usually use 2 omnis for solo piano at full stick 2 ft outside at normal height persons (5'10"?) ear level or with the lid off straight over the Piano. I also like at full stick 1 omni over the piano about 18", one of the best sounds I've ever heard. Also method 1 with 2 UM70s is really a classic take for jazz ensemble Piano, also with 451s 0r ant other "pencil" type mics for a little bite in the sound. You can try it in x/y also You might want to try micing evrything as close to mono as possible and put up a stereo pair somewhere in front of the stage and later reallign all of the mono elements to this pair and drop back the volume on it to use it as ambience, it puts an amazingly realistic stage in front of you and gives you control at the same time. It doesn't have to be a prime pair as in the end it will be rolled back quite a bit, just a thought. For method 2, 421s might surprise you, even for the recording. __________________ love and light