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Originally Posted by no ssl yet  Jay wouldn't be a brand if he never sold CDs. So looking at a situation that was caused by selling CDs originally is not fair to the discussion. You are discussing individuals who made what they are doing today possible by selling CDs remove that from the process and you have a totally different situation. |
Your arguemnt is based on an unknowable fact. He woulnd't be a brand if it werent' for his music, but he's not a brand <B> because </B> he sold his CDs. Maybe he would have been a bigger brand.
If you're making an argument about perceived value, fine, but that's about money and Jay Z's value as a brand really is more about peers pressure than monetary value.
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Originally Posted by no ssl yet Also CDs are NOT Drugs. Your comparison is a stretch. With coke, If i give you a dime, you no longer have it tomorrow when you want another one. But if you could smoke the same dime every day and nothing would happen to it, you'd never come back to me.
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I think you're confused. I was making an analogy, but saying CDs are drugs.
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Your argument about other revenue streams does not apply. You are totally missing the point that these revenue streams started because record sales were the catlyst
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Actually, that was my point.
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Tshirts, Concert tickets are sold because people appreciate the band. If everyone is bombarded with free samples of music all day every day, there would be little interest in finding the gems if you had to wade through Months worth of bullshit to find one.  |
Exactly, that's why P2P sharing is the most effective method, it's not spam or junk mail when it comes from someone you know.
Or maybe knowing them is how you know that it is.
A friend sharing new music with you because the know your tast is very different that Amazon saying "people who bought your book also bought these."
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Your concept of a loss leader is not likely to apply. Americans don't really respect what they get for free. There is no prestige attached to ownership.
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That's why no one is speind a lot of time downloading free music, right? They don't value it, so they don't want it, so they don't download it.
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You are overlooking the very nature of the industry. There are loss leaders, the single is given away to promote the album. But you are discussing giving away the ALBUM. It would work fine for Jay or Kiss, because they built their audiences by selling units. But for a new artist with good music what do you think would make him stand out among all of the MILLIONS of other wanna be artists giving away music?
If every day you opened your mail you had 1 MILLION pieces of junk mail, how many of them would you read?
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None, but if the recommendation came from a friend or other qualified filter, I would. That's why P2P is more powerful than myspace.
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Let's not apply other things to the record industry that don't apply and let's not consider things/conditions that exist for stars today as if they apply to the entire industry.
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Sounds like a good idea. I'm sure glad I haven't done that!