[raal]

Originally Posted by mpr3

raal, I don't think anyone has properly addressed the issue you brought up about second generation DSD being inherently problematic with HF noise. For example, if you record your mix to DSD and then your mastering engineer plays the DSD natively back into analog for further processing and then back into DSD and PCM as final masters. According to the quote below by the chief engineer at Phillips, this is a seriously flawed scenario. Please read below:<snip>

yes. i actually quoted that very passage some posts up.

this is the exact scenario i'm talking about. since i haven't actually tried it (DSD X 2, or X 1 for that matter), it would be great to hear from others who have. i don't know if a low pass filter could do the trick.

Originally Posted by PMoshay

i will be using it as i would a 1/2" tape machine. When i master, if i am doing it, i will play back from the MR1000 just like a 1/2" machine and apply analog eq / comp / etc. then do digital stuff and the dithering to a 16bit file at the end with my Weiss unit.

But my 1st preference is to call Bob Ludwig and hand it off to him. He can certainly handle the files and usually masters using a similar type of signal path (analog eq. comp, etc) then digital processes near the end.

i'm sure he can! sure would be great if mr. ludwig commented on this thread wouldn't it? hmmm...

last time i spoke to chris bellman at grundman's and asked how he was getting the majority of his stuff lately he told me 1/2" or 1/4" are still king, which isn't surprising. i'm sure if more than one generation of DSD is possible though, alot of people would at least start experimenting with it.

I apologise for insinuating that i was saying "you" wanted a future proof guarantee", that was more directed at the notion of my sympathies for companies trying to keep up with all the rapid changes in the computer world, and people wanting free updates the day the new systems ship.

no problem sir. i stopped trying to future proof anything computer related a long time ago. necessary evil as they say, but sure is convenient (when it's working).

the bottom line is if i were in LA or somewhere where good techs abound, i'd probably be mixing to analog and be done with it, or/and running parallel PCM/DSD copies . in this neck of the woods, i balk at the idea of a 102 or 820 - and it's more convenient to send audio files to MEs than tapes, so for down here it sure would be sweet if something like the Korg, DVRA1000 or whatever could conveniently be used as a 2 track. i'd still mix to both PCM and DSD though. prolly will anyway, but i sure would like to know definitively if taking a DSD file, mastering it and then making another DSD file is possible with good results, and how someone like mr. ludwig would be doing that.

one question on the Korg recorder: couldn't you just keep the DSD files on a hard disk for later use? sounds pretty future proof to me.